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Judy Bartelstone interviews Dr. Charlie Walker, Ph.D Clinical Psychology

The quest for spirituality has been a search since the dawn of man. Its nature is intangible and often elusive, but always desirable and even crucial to a healthy being. Dr. Charlie Walker answers some of our questions about the concept and power of spirituality.

Q. Dr. Walker—I know you can’t condense a definition of spirituality, but if you absolutely had to confine the essence to a short paragraph, what would you tell us?

A. Spirituality is a sense of connection with our inner wisdom, with each other, and with our spiritual guides. It is the core search for meaning and connection; what is the universe about, what is the force that lives and breathes and connects us and even moves the planets.

Q. Must we turn to a few highly powered or highly placed people to find that sense of connection?

A. No, absolutely not. Spirituality resides in all of us; it is inclusive rather than exclusive, not defined by some religious figure(s). Rather, it is a continuing self-definition and experience.

Q. Doctor Walker, I like the idea of finding and knowing oneself – I connect it to the famous saying of Rabbi Hillel who advised “who would love others must first love himself.” As one begins that search for the inner self and begins to love oneself, how does that affect any emotional or physical illness that one might have?

A. There is a definite relationship! You have to connect with your own higher wisdom, the life that has been given to you and the capabilities that you have. One of the biggest challenges that a human being has is to strive for true integration of the mind, body and spirit. Carl Jung often talked about the concept of synchronicity, which he defined as “meaningful coincidences.” As we examine our physical and emotional health, we may begin to notice synchronicities in our own lives. We may notice that we are sick more often or experience conditions like anxiety and depression. Using a holistic lens to view ourselves, we may see below the surface of our mental and physical ailments that our spirit is suffering as well. The body is wise; it will manifest illness to get attention which is telling you to pay attention; just as a sliver will fester without attention, so will the body and the spirit. In fact, unresolved trauma or abuse or neglect, will cause symptom or illness.

Q. Where would an illness or disorder such as hypochondria fit into this?

A. It is a search for spirit, also an addiction. Addictions are all searches for spirits and answers but they manifest themselves in very tragic ways. Energetic healing and holistic medicine are alternatives (to allopathic medicine) that view the whole picture and look for the root cause, rather than treating one or two symptoms and remaining on the surface.

Q. Doctor, what changes so you see in the clientele who come to you now, as opposed to those of a few years ago?

A. There is a shift toward spirituality—this may be affected by the fact that I have opened up my own spiritual consciousness. I may be attracting a different population, who has already begun to feel, on some level, a need for finding the core connection among the mind, body and spirit. If such a patient says something to me, for instance, about meditation, then I respect that thought and go in through that “door” and work from that perspective. We are trying to find spiritual power and to use a deeper inquiry.

Q. Current theories abound as to the value of proper nutrition for the body and its relationship to a healthy psyche—I know it’s not “eat three radishes a day and all will be well”, but what is that relationship and value?

A. The holistic approach does involve nutrition because this approach always integrates the mind, the body and the spirit. Because we look at the whole picture, we might, for example, refer to a nutritional person or someone like Caroline Walrad, Ph.D. in Classical Homeopathy and a CN for nutritional or dietary schedules on a specific basis for each individual. Maybe symptoms of biochemical depression could, instead, be thyroid deficiency or blood sugar problems.

Q. What kind of treatment process do you provide at your Integrated Wellness Center?

A. We examine the core issues, we advise or refer nutritional health, we offer psychotherapy for individuals and couples and families; we offer Reiki and spiritual imagery. I offer EMDR (emdr.com), a methodology initiated about fifteen years ago, for post traumatic stress disorder, rape, child abuse, etc. It could be used now for Hurricane Katrina victims with all the ensuing loss and grief that is evolving from this horrific disaster. The methodology involves eye movement and, in brief, is a waking state similar to REM sleep; the waking state allows the memory to be processed in real time and brought to the front brain where the experience can be processed at a less painful, easier level.

Q. Doctor, this sounds much more effective and immediate than talk therapy—could the methodology be used for Holocaust victims even though it is sixty years later?

A. Oh, absolutely. I had a patient who was in a very terrifying and traumatic gunfight forty years ago and was able to come to some sort of resolution and move on finally. I am trained in EMDR methodology and have found it to be very effective for the patient. I do want to emphasize, however, that everything in our practice centers on treating the whole patient and providing a holistic approach that includes the spirit. In the Wellness Center, Leslie White provides nutritional and wellness consultations; women’s’ issues is one of her specialties and she is a licensed substance abuse counselor who is pursuing her Ph.D. in clinical psychology.

Q. So you are healing the soul as you heal the physical and emotional ailments?

A. Judy, if we can examine the core issues in the emotional, spiritual and physical realms, then true healing and integration can begin and wellness and harmony will follow.

Dr. Charlie Walker is a licensed professional counselor with a Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology. He has specialized training in addiction, trauma, family therapy, spirituality, and EMDR. Dr. Walker can be reached at (928) 231-0114 or Hopeandhealing@aol.com


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